Rule Update - Rushing The Passer

[Guest]

You must rush the QB with at least 3 defensive players. It doesn't matter how this is accomplished as long as at least 3 defensive players are going after the QB at all times. Sorry Nickel Velcro fans. You can’t use it in the redzone any more. Note that a player in QB Spy/Contain does not count as rushing the QB.

[Berty44]

Goodbye to FAG defence then.

[Ramburgers]

theres a play in my playbook that only rushs 2... is this banned?

maybe we should phone the NFL and get this rule introduced...

[DiodeX]

yes, it will be, it keeps a clear line between right and wrong.

[Ramburgers]

I'll also say in the heat of battle im not sure id notice how many were rushing as im too busy looking which DB to throw it too!

[Berty44]

Well this rule should help you no end as instead of facing 10 defeders trying to pick you as was often the case the max you can now face is 8 !

[Ramburgers]

if there was only 1 defending the pass id find him

[helimachoptor]

Whats FAG defence?

[Kirchoffs69]

tbh I've no idea how many I rush on plays?

[DiodeX]

Whats FAG defence?

First and Goal so I believe

 

Basically its lobby pass defending, dropping all but 2 into coverage.

tbh I've no idea how many I rush on plays?

At a guess 3 or 4 from the 3-4 defense 

[Ben SFC]

Completely agree with this.

One thing I will say though is playing contain with 4 D Linemen should be allowed. It's key to making sure the likes of RGIII can't get outside the pocket.

[Riverman]

If all drop into zones, cant you just scraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamble, or call a run play?

I dont ever use this, wouldnt know how to, assume it is tough to beat if we are banning it, but wouldve thought a run/qb run would do it

[DiodeX]

yeah as they are not dropping into coverage

[adrian522]

If you have 4 D lineman playing contain you have zero rushing the passer, how is this allowed?

[GovernedSpy]

spot on tbh

[xelnino9x]

 

I think this rule actually benefits teams with a rushing QB tbh Phil, as one of your coverage guys will now have to be a spy against a mobile QB, so one less guy in pass coverage effectively.

[Riverman]

I was thinking that, if 3 rush, and 8 drop to coverage you have running room

if 3 rush and 1 spys, you have less men in coverage

i did initially think it was a rule about rushing WITH the QB when i saw the title!!

[RFC Buncey]

So when you know the other player has to pass on 3rd and long, you still need to send 3 guys at the QB. Sure there's a reason, but it beats me

Don't really mind, probably suits me better like Phil

[StueyH111]

If all drop into zones, cant you just scraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamble, or call a run play?

I dont ever use this, wouldnt know how to, assume it is tough to beat if we are banning it, but wouldve thought a run/qb run would do it

 

You can QB scramble against this IF you have a mobile QB. If you have a pocket passer, you wont be able to.

[xelnino9x]

I was thinking that, if 3 rush, and 8 drop to coverage you have running room

if 3 rush and 1 spys, you have less men in coverage

i did initially think it was a rule about rushing WITH the QB when i saw the title!!

 

Ditto!! I was expecting a post from trooper with a load of blue flashing lights!!

[Riverman]

very legitimate point!!

[Guest]

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[Ianoy]

No more FAG defense! 

[Guest]

This is the only example I can find in the playbooks that has a two man rush. In fact it is not in all playbooks. If there are others, tell us.

 

[Ben SFC]

If you have 4 D lineman playing contain you have zero rushing the passer, how is this allowed?

 

No you would just put the two ends in contain. Therefore the QB can't run outside and the two D Tackles then try to effectively rush the QB. The two guys in contain do nothing for the pass defense though.

or  or  or 

 

Spy doesn't always work.

[Sovoth]

Putting both DEs in contain isn't allowed by this rule, is that correct?

[Ben SFC]

Putting both DEs in contain isn't allowed by this rule, is that correct?

 

Yes, but I don't agree with it.

[adrian522]

Well you can if you blitz a LB or something.

[Ben SFC]

But they play contain all the time in the NFL. It really shouldn't be outlawed as it's completely different to dropping in zones. It does nothing for pass coverage but stops RGIII from flying outside, outrunning your LB in spy and gaining massive yards. 

 

It also stops the QB Read Run plays which is when I use them.

[adrian522]

Yeah, I tend to agree with this, reword the rule to max 8 players in pass coverage rather than min 3 rushing the passer, or just have an exception where you put guys in QB contain. 

[MattyTM]

I agree I think that at the very least your DE's should be able to stay in contain, as Ben has said this will do nothing for your Pass D and will likely stop scrambling QB's threatening to run....

Although I had no idea this was considered 'fag' D and i'll be the first to admit I used to drop either DL's or DE's into coverage as I tend to haemorage passing yards and it helped all-be-it not very much. Also because I kept getting beat with curl routes and DE's on purples solved opponents constantly throwing curls, but alas maybe we will get a rule halting to many curls too haha

[StueyH111]

I agree I think that at the very least your DE's should be able to stay in contain, as Ben has said this will do nothing for your Pass D and will likely stop scrambling QB's threatening to run....

Although I had no idea this was considered 'fag' D and i'll be the first to admit I used to drop either DL's or DE's into coverage as I tend to haemorage passing yards and it helped all-be-it not very much. Also because I kept getting beat with curl routes and DE's on purples solved opponents constantly throwing curls, but alas maybe we will get a rule halting to many curls too haha

 

Just to clarify Matty. It's not the dropping DE's or DT's into coverage which is the issue. Many plays (particularly in zone blitz schemes) drop one or more defensive linemen into coverage. But they have 1 or 2 LB's blitzing instead to make at least 3 pass rushing. What we are looking to stop is people have 9 - 10 men on coverage.

 

Hope that clarifies it. 

[trooper uk]

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Edited March 7, 2013 by trooper uk

[Berty44]

Unfortunately there have been too many reported instances in our leagues of guys dropping 10 men in coverage, its being abused.

 

The rule is actually a very common one in sim leagues. Up to now we had no need to introduce it. We now have a huge playing community and any rule needs to be clear and unambiguous. The reason why its 3 men rushing is thats its very easy to identify whether an opponent is complying with it or not. Not all guys have the level of game knowledge as those who have posted above and possibly would not be able to identify the difference between QB contains and flat zones.

 

We don't expect everyone to agree with it but its for the improved enjoyment of all our leagues.

[Ben SFC]

Berty, there is a massive difference between a flat zone and a contain. Not allowing QB contains is seriously hampering peoples ability to stop the likes of RGIII. I have Griffin in the Irish league and he easily outruns the MLB spy so often.

[adrian522]

So do blitzing safeties or CB's count as rushing the passer? Or is it just LB's?

 

E.g if you have a CB blitz(both CB's blitzing) with 2 DE in QB contain and 2 DT's rushing the middle is that legal or not?

[RainbowDoc]

Can I still booooo scramblers and there cheep ass yards? Lol.....ROARRRRRRR

[MattyTM]

In that instance Adrian I would say that's six players rushing the QB, as said above though QB contain does not count alas you'd have four rushing in which case within the new proposed rules...

[Burnzee Boyee]

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Putting both DEs in contain isn't allowed by this rule, is that correct?

 

 

Just read this. Strange to stop it really because as far back as Madden 10, it was part of the Bears 46D playbook. both DE's were on QB contain, whilst LB's where on Man Cover Duties adn the CB's were pressing on the line. Also there was a variation on it where one DE & one LB were on Contain. Strange but rules are rules.

[DiodeX]

You have to rush the QB with 3 players minimum, you could send 2 CB and a SS and drop the DL to coverage if you like.

[StueyH111]

So do blitzing safeties or CB's count as rushing the passer? Or is it just LB's?

 

E.g if you have a CB blitz(both CB's blitzing) with 2 DE in QB contain and 2 DT's rushing the middle is that legal or not?

 

Yes this would be fine. 

[Berty44]

@Adrian yep thats ok

 

@Ben the rule has to be easy for all to understand. While many will see straight away the difference between contain and zones not everyone will recognise the difference.   The facts is that the rule is needed because people are defending with 10 men.

 

We have adopted a rule common to many other sim leagues have. We have not invented the wheel here.

 

@Doc I would encourage that

[Ben SFC]

I guarantee you the other sites would class a DE in contain as rushing the passer. Honestly, try it tonight if you get on the Xbox. Yo'll see what contain is. Offers no advantage in the passing defense.

[Burnzee Boyee]

Thing is Bert, some defensive formations act like 10 men are always in cover when I play as my WR's struggle most of the time to get open...how can Marshall not get open...the guy is a genious....and dont say its me

[HLR Milo]

Good rule guys 

[TuscanRaider74]

this rule should of come in ages ago, seen it way too often on obvious passing plays opponents dropping 9 & 10 into coverage

 

well done admin 

[Burnzee Boyee]

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I guarantee you the other sites would class a DE in contain as rushing the passer. Honestly, try it tonight if you get on the Xbox. Yo'll see what contain is. Offers no advantage in the passing defense.

 

True, I would also concur that its mainly more effective against the ground game. Why else would it be called a QB contain? to stop him doing which of the following?

 

a: Taking a dump

b: taking the dog for a walk

c: Scrambling as he has no WR's open

d: making sure that he's done his home work before being allowed out to play

[Ben SFC]

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True, I would also concur that its mainly more effective against the ground game. Why else would it be called a QB contain? to stop him doing which of the following?

 

a: Taking a dump

b: taking the dog for a walk

c: Scrambling as he has no WR's open

d: making sure that he's done his home work before being allowed out to play

 

I think we should rename scrambling as doing the Trooper

[MattyTM]

a: Taking a dump

b: taking the dog for a walk

c: Scrambling as he has no WR's open

d: making sure that he's done his home work before being allowed out to play

pretty obvious that the answer is a..................... right?

[Burnzee Boyee]

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this rule should of come in ages ago, seen it way too often on obvious passing plays opponents dropping 9 & 10 into coverage

 

well done admin 

 

I'll be honest...if guys have been doing this against me constant then I think I will be mighty peeved the more I think about it...

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a: Taking a dump

b: taking the dog for a walk

c: Scrambling as he has no WR's open

d: making sure that he's done his home work before being allowed out to play


pretty obvious that the answer is a..................... right?

 

of course it is- there for the contain MUST work if its preventing this happening